New Deal and Flexible New Deal Exposed

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Comment on Jobcentre Plus staff Vs Unemployed Professionals by Flexible New Deal

not all staff are a bad bunch (disclaimer line I guess).

But from my own experience of the people I had directly dealt with at my local jobcentre *and* what I have observed (yes, its possible that they only be less productive 30 minutes before I enter until 30 minutes after I leave) I notice the following:

* A mandatory 5-20 minutes break between “customers” (lower range for Customer Service on front desk who wander off… before returning; upper for advisers – sometimes they have work to catch up on in this time but mostly twiddle their thumbs or walk off and get a coffee)

(I myself have always worked in a customer-facing role typically as first point of contact, customers can be really annoying and it gets worse when they are angry due to something someone else has done. If they cannot cope with customer interaction or use text book techniques to calm the situation down and give great Customer Service then they shouldnt be in such a job role. Likewise, for advisers if the work is too difficult for them they shouldnt be in the job. For “customers” who are unemployed (all of them) especially those who are looking for such work or similar work, it becomes very frustrating that those who cannot do the job properly have a job and those who need a job whereas they think they can do a better job, i.e. themselves, dont have the opportunity. This is how people get so upset with the poor service delivered and whereas it becomes very political.)

* Gaze at computer screen or documents with a blank look on their faces (not their fault initially because they are under-trained and dont understand; but those been there a few years should have surely sharpened up their confidence, knowledge and skills – although people keep their jobs on targets of people signing off/sanctions and not on how productive they are)

* The “If you dont like it sign off” approach. This helps their targets. Although cheekly and poor customer service, its understandable where you are directly criticising the person where its actually the system and not them….. but they say that when you aren’t even saying that. This is a disgusting attitude – I wish every DWP employee who has ever said that, some dreadful financial problems of their own and 6 month sanctions on their dole money.

* Two faced approach. Don’t take them for face value… If they ask you if you want to apply for a certain job where you decline where they agree with your points, however, you see them click a drop down box, and press the apply/print button… then they come back witht he other two jobs, while sticking one sheet in the bin, you know they have applied you for a job they haven’t notified you for. (Of course you have “good cause” if they haven’t made you aware i.e. given you the written notice, however, the systems record shows it was printed… so you coudnt rely on this)

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Comment on Flexible New Deal Provider Information by Flexible New Deal

Send in a Data Protection Act 1998 request asking for it. This way they cannot deny (with a few exceptions i.e. if you are investigated for fraud etc. which isn’t the case) the request, otherwise they might try and be funny about it. Its normally picked up by someone higher in authority (although I assume they delegate it lower but will be a different person).

Ask for details they hold about you including all notes on their computer system. Make sure you do not request everything as they will send you half a tree in print outs! If you want me to write a template letter for you to help you with it, please let me know.

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Comment on Jobcentre Plus staff Vs Unemployed Professionals by Raymondo

Yes, but £15K to £21K for not doing anything useful is £15K to £20K wasted.
If they had the guts to admit what they do is pointless, and keep complaining to those further up the tree to improve things, I’d repect them.

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Comment on Flexible New Deal Provider Information by wilted0rose

hey kyron,

You are right all they see us as is huge dollar signs!!! today i have my meeting with the job centre and if they dont take me off it, well then ill be seeing them in court, because i know they have it on their system about my leg cause i have read it and it clearly states ‘ un able to do work that requires her to stand up due to a knee injury ‘, but!!! before i say anything to him i am going to ask him if he can print all that off for me first! HA!!!

I have been in touch with a psychologist and she said that i am suffering from anxiety ‘ basically i am almost scared of everything and my mind can really go to bad places ‘ lol on bus journeys i freak and get all tense because i am scared of the bus tipping over…. So i dont need their threats and what not on top of all the stress im under at the mo.

You shouldnt be putting up with this rubbish either. isnt there someone you can talk to?

If you ever need a friend, (or a stranger to share your burdens with) i am always here XD depression is a horrible feeling, so i just wanted you to know that you will always have a listening ear XD

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Comment on Direct.gov.uk: why the new job search website needs to be replaced by Jason Townsend

Has any one else noticed this utterly awful website has considerably lengthened there time spent job searching? Which i wouldn’t be surprised if that was intentional (less time for us benefit scroungers to do casual work lol).

There’s too many job categories to search. I personally have to make note of not only the job reference number but also the category i found in it in.

Also the number of mistakes in the adverts many times i have come across incorrect email addresses and telephone numbers and repeated adverts.

The old jobcentre search was deeply flawed but this search engine is dire.

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Comment on Direct.gov.uk: why the new job search website needs to be replaced by Flexible New Deal

Has anyone noticed how it always returns 5 pages of results? (“all jobs”)

I scratched my head and couldnt understand it…. how come there are exactly 5 pages of results. Well, I tried a less popular location… this time page 3 onwards it gets results nationwide to fill up the space… why?!

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Comment on Jobcentre Plus: where do they get the Decision Makers from? by Kyron

Sue that poses a very interesting question. What are your thoughts and opinions on those 3rd party carpet baggers that are bleeding money off the system and providing less service than at the jobcentre.

What about the poor claimant who is stuck between a rock and a hard place, mental issues. Wants a job and is looking, do you eve threaten them with a sanction

How do you feel about the impending privatisation of all the DWP jobcentres.

Why is it that the DWP listen to those crusty 70,80,and 90 yr old lords that have never done a proper days work in their lives to try and implement suggestions

Why isn’t the PCS Union got more of a backbone and kicking against the crap this and the previous government were shovelling

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Comment on Direct.gov.uk: why the new job search website needs to be replaced by Kyron

exactly too many flaws i dont like the direct.gov job search personally i tolerate it but it is so wrong. another case of the dwp not listening to people

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Comment on Jobcentre Plus: where do they get the Decision Makers from? by Kyron

Sue apologies for trying to sound at you not meant to be insulting im just surprised that you guys and gals on the front line are letting the ddwp get away with the shyte they are shovelling

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Comment on Jobcentre Plus staff Vs Unemployed Professionals by sue

58% of dwp employees earn less than 21k a year, these people – many on 15k or just about minimum wage for the hours they work are the ones you mainly deal with in the job centres.

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Comment on Jobcentre Plus: where do they get the Decision Makers from? by sue

I work for the job centre and I wish I was on 20k a year salary. You can knock 5k a year off that figure. Also I only sanction persistent timewasters who miss appointment after appointment or blatantly are not actively seeking work.

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Comment on Direct.gov.uk: why the new job search website needs to be replaced by Joe Hartley

I feel your pain.
Also why do they feel the need to use sessions like this. It means that pages (searches and jobs) can’t be saved in a browsers history or bookmarks and they can’t be emailed. Unless the recipient opens it before the session has timed out. And if that happens the recipient is logged in as the first user and can view any of the account details and change the password. Bit of a security hole I think.

I complained about the website and was told to “take a note of the vacancy reference number.” if I wanted to go back to it later.

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Comment on Flexible New Deal Provider Information by Kyron

Hi Wilted. You are not alone in getting exactly the same treatment. These are not places or placements designed to help. They are actually designed to move the goal posts to get people to sign off. They also use lots and lots of threats of sanctions.

They don’t really give a toss about the poor person they are seeing they see you and others like big cash signs. It is deplorable and getitng worse.

My Story

Visually impaired, suffering with depression, other stomache problems as well. I made a stink and got sent to a4e. A4E were useless so I got refered to beacon centre for the blind in wolverhampton. They were understanding at first. The have had their advantahgre west midlands funding withdrawn by the scrapping of these regional quangos and now they are chasing the money,

I told them about my deression and mood swings the general consensus from them was that I am putting up barriers to stop me getting into work. I told them no I wasn’t im depressed and suicidal. They said well you shouldn’t be signing on. your choice to be dole scorunging scum, nobody making you sign on. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT F-OFF. Threats of sanctions

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Comment on Job Centre New Deal waste of time? Play Games by j

Dear

I am currently on the New Deal COurse .

I am finding it,bullying and a waste.
It is brain washing and brain draiing and no good .

People should be learning new things .

The excessive job pages which we fil in are too steep and over the top .

A simple job search once a week should suffuce .

I find the course over the top and too agressive towards people .

What are you views .?

Does this apply to every one and should we ALL compain .

Thank you ,

Comment on Flexible New Deal Providers refuse to deliver contract by Jason Townsend

I have to agree with FND on this the work programme will go ahead (after the government give in to the providers and fund them up front for it).

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